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Your text is beautifully hovering at a mental state where situation has merged into timelesness, an energy that could last for a split second or 80 years.

I am in this connection curious to know if it would be possible to tie the situation to an ideal geographical location (city, desert...) one that would include year, space ( i.e. mountain top, café, bus), tools for writing?

(Of course this question assumes that you're willing to feed in to a parallel fictional universe, if you're not already there.)

9) Yaari question to Lili (reply Varinia)

About stretching or attracting the physical capacities of your body because of an immediate contact with an-other body. About a moment of endurance vis-a-vis intimacy. About a necessary need which can not be fulfilled unless repeated, and even then. How breathing can obey the effort and produce a signifcant change in the procedure?

10) Brendan question to Luiza (reply Sana)

Luiza

I was mostly swept away by your scenography. Which was dictated by the text and achieved quite simply by killing the lights. First leaving just the 4 or 5 glowing apples in the room, then later beautiful silhouettes accompanying only one's self and the voice of the page, backdropped, for me, by the glass wall and the brussels skyline. Feeling at ease and carried away.

Recalling my experience and re-reading the text, I conceived and noticed many change of planes, shifting points of view, view points, from the horizontal to the vertical, to and fro, internal/external, etc. It occurred to me, after thinking about this changing of planes for awhile, that it could have been nice to have a glass ceiling for the prophecy of the glass ceiling, but how!! In the end, I admit to being very pleasantly distracted from the text by what I was experiencing as caused by the windows that I faced (and am now also considering how those whom I faced, those silhouettes I looked upon experienced things in a different darkness), and worked to not feel guilty by my failure to studiously follow the complex text. Now i realize this was not the fault of me being a poor student !! But it was my body being hypnotized by the text and the glass ceiling! Which here, was experiencing vertically as a window, a glass wall !! Oh the twisting embodiment that escapes my frontal consciousness !! My body working to join the fold of the changing planes, the shift of view points anchored by my eyes stuck in a head. Body seeking the horizontal, mind in the vertical. I need to lay down before the glass, and make it my ceiling !!!

But!

There is a part of the text that is a bit more unclear for me, how does all this, the presentations and suppositions made by the poet (as well as mine) amount to the conclusive line "To remember will become a thing of the past ... i can imagine that light effects negatively the capacity to remember, but this is not the realm of the text i believe. So, i guess my question is, how does the author reach this conclusion that results from what he/she proposes, "to remember will become a thing of the past"? Or maybe more broadly what do you feel contained in this poem, is consequential on memory/remembering/forgetting?

eeeeek! i think i just figured it out! But am very interested to hear the correct answer from Sana.

11) Anouk question to Agnes (reply Tinna)

Dear Agnes, the world "reality" is appearing one or several times in each the text fragments.

Do you think "reality" is something that can be shared ?

At the beginning of your writing, you create the almost cinematic atmosphere of an ancient tale.

It's a tale of growth and change, and I think it is telling us about roots.

I could feel the wind - or, more precisely, I could imagine this wind of history: a wind whose strength comes not only from its physical force but also from the distance it has to pass through to come to my face, and to face my body.

Is resistance something that we grow with time, like a plant grows roots that go deeper and deeper into the ground?

Is resistance something superficial - that acts and is effective at and from the level of the skin?

How deep resistance grows into the body?

These are more general questions I have - they do the groundwork for what I'd like to ask:

Imagine the strongest wind you can think about. It is so strong that blowing against your body, it keeps it suspended in the air, preventing it from moving. Not a step is possible.

What would you do with your body (physical strategy) in order to be able to keep moving in spite of this wind?

What you offered last Wednesday to the Bubble Score community was a text, precisely the beginning of a chapter entitled "Goddess of the Witches" from a book called "The Great Cosmic Mother".

The text is about the multiple prehistoric and historic cults around the figure of Diana/Artemis/Ishtar/Hecate that produced knowledges in the past associated with feminine power and later on were condemned, banned, erased by, first, the greek patriarchal turn, then by Christianity, culminating with hunts and burnings of witches in the 16th and 17th century. The text ends with the following line "The witch persecutions were not simply aimed at 'Devil-worshipers', but at ancient human knowledge of the world".

Later on in a discussion with me you said "but what have women done to men to deserve that ?"

If I share with you the idea that today's situation can be enlightened by studying the past, that we must practice an archeology of the occidental way of thinking and that a decolonisation of the mind is necessary to prevent more shit to happen in the future, my reaction to the text's positioning was more doubtful, concerning the way the text is written and the assertive tone of some of your remarks.

In fact, I do think that the text is over dichotomising the issue, reducing its complexity and is using the same tools that authoritarian knowledge : the "there is no alternative" leading to an injunction to think in a dichromatic way : black or white. Period.

Concerning women, I do not think that women did anything to men, but that the power shift happened for political and economic reasons in societies growing in scale and in need of a general order, a pre-globalised order disqualifying the local more and more. A "general way of thinking", a way to generalise everything, to universalise, leading to the interchangeability of the humans where, under the ancient localised order, the communities were more singular, particular and not replaceable.

I do not want to continue today as I have to ask you a question, but would like to continue discussing with you about this book statements and your relation with it. (you know that I like witches as you do, but may be differently?...)

My question is inspired by your text in relation with another text.

It's a text written by Isabelle Stengers called "The Cosmopolitical Proposal" where she proposes ways to actualise and produce real changes.

She, and I agree with her, shows that denunciating is not enough to shift, to dismantle the authority associated with knowledge.

I attach the text to this mail. I glossed some lines. hope we can find a moment to read and discuss them together.

You can find it here : Isabelle Stengers_The Cosmopolitical Proposal

My question now.

In fact I have two. Couldn't choose.

"What "taking magic seriously" can do for you today?" or "What do you hope for by "taking magic seriously" today?

You pick.

Hear from you,

see you next week

amicalement,

Pierre

If internalizing camera functions in how we think is mostly stemming from „manipulating time“ (jumps, cuts, continuity, fast forwards etc.), which other notion is being manipulated/influenced by haptic information? Or is it simply subordinate to visual/audio neural processes?

Can you imagine whole room with all the people moving around you, running underneath your fingertips instead of you moving in the space?

How would that inform you differently?

(receptivity in relation to various body positions - e.g. "gallery with beds")

Borders are frigid
Distances wrapped in a time, lost

Borders are frigid
Distances covered in colors, pale

Feeling confused
We dream out of synch
Light bounces off your skin
Reminds me of distorted past
Shattering into pieces
Memories remain less of debris

I turn ubiquitous

Conquering the time
Let’s play a game
When I am the hours
You play days or years

Borders are frigid
Distances fill in you and me
marching on our flesh
Hear ‘em breath
Feel ‘em float
Like a sorrow

Now turning thicker
Like a forest
Vast meadow covers the distances
Ah,
Such a wonder!

14) Tinna to Gerald (Reply Aela)

From an english and objective frame of reference, putting aside any daltonic possibilities... well we could argue on an objective way to describe the wrong colour with the good name or a subjective way to be objective ??? That sounds already messy...

SO... from an english and objective and human-being frame of reference, I am eating a green apple. Considered lonely, in a completely abstract context, an apple is a thing. But in an objective context, THIS apple is an object constituted by many different objects, its colour, its pips, its core, etc.

Objectively eating this apple I'll find its pips and its pips are black. Everyone is following ?

So from now on it appears that the green apple is also constituted by black pips. From here it is a very easy abstract jump to say that at some point the green of the apple is made by the black of the pips contained by this very apple and an even easier one to say that green is black ! Probably as much as green is blue and yellow !!!

And even easier !!! Green equal black !

Let's study a bit this affirmation. When I say green equal black, I am doing what is called an abstraction ! The process of abstraction is used in many domaine and specially in mathematics to make easier operation ! The system of abstraction works by simplifying a complicated reality to be able to deal with ! Same process with objectivity ! Every time we assign a name to a thing we reduce every possibilities of different subjectivities in favour of a common objectivity !

So it is very important to notice that objectivity is only a collective agreement on how to reduce individual subjectivity, A=B under a certain frame of reference but under another one, A is absolutely not equal to B !!!!

Let's go a bit further :)
An apple is as black as an orange !
In terms of blackity an apple is actually equal to an orange even if not a single one of them is black (once again from a non-daltonic point of view) !
I could have also said an apple is as NOT black as an orange ! But what happens when we use the negativity ! If I say an apple is NOT black, the mind will picture first the apple and then the black colour: result = an apple is black ! Why, because the mind can't picture negativity but only what is viewable and negativity is not a viewable object but a substraction of viewable object from viewable object !

Let's go on the funny side of this discovery !!!
The delay created by the mind trying to remove the black colour from the apple it pictured is the origin of irony and the one of laugh !!!!
Demonstration: joke + delay or time of understanding = laugh hahaa...
Irony and laugh come from a very short misunderstanding or a little awkwardness

and uncomfortable situation, that is a tiny excess of subjectivity in an objective discourse ! A tiny excess which is fortunately possible due to the process of abstraction I described earlier !
If there was no common objective reduction of subjective reality there will be no surplus of subjectivity to use and then no laugh and so a very sad society !!! In which one everyone would be able to communicate entirely with anyone else, boring....

Now... how to make a black apple revolution !!!?
Working with abstraction once again, I am gonna make an equality between the Foucault's relations of power and the objectivity I described earlier. Relations of power as objectivity exist in any domaine, political, institutional, relationship and so on, this objectivity appears when one tries to direct someone else's behaviour. But this objectivity is only possible among a certain amount of liberty corresponding here to subjectivity ! If there was no possibility of expressing subjectivity, there will be no objectivity at all.
The practice of liberty or the practice of subjectivity is an individual way one has to play with objectivity, to play among the rules of common objectivity !
Most of the time, as we saw it, the game of subjectivity among objectivity leads to irony or laugh !
A black apple revolution is a revolution everyone can practice on its own, discovering its own subjectivity, applying it to many domaine and sharing it ! That is knowing oneself or to use the words of Foucault: taking care of the self !

A black apple revolution is a ironic revolution a revolution that shows the limits of objectivity and power through laugh, through a tiny delay of misunderstanding !

One is not free from its own definition as soon as one remains understandable ! A peri-understanding is the most powerful tool of a funny revolution and a black apple is already in itself a revolution ! A displacement of the domination of objectivity upon subjectivity !

This is a revolution !!!

YAARI

And your Eye – where does your Eye dwell?

down onto you,

in you

will you believe my

Mouth

I speak of love

How did we live until here?

the body of each of us were

your body

It gleamed

I open your leaves, forever

only there did you enter wholly the name

that is yours

the Listened-for reached you

It cast an image into our eyes

and the Dew of your thought

(not in the eye for the tear

but seven nights higher

when I attended the orchids

when I was audible)

it shivered

We

have drunk

The blood and the image that was in the blood

we drink it and we drink it

as if I were this:

your Whiteness,

as if you were

mine,

as if without us we could be we

The place of angels

was written there too

How

did we touch

each other - each other with

these hands?

we could not let go, and it came at us

came through us at the last membrane and

your eyes

they dwell and dwell

they speak

they sing

an acoustic thought

I

speak

the Prayer:

Come, come.

Come a word, come,

and something believed the eyes and the mouths

and obeyed

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